[Tool] Flummery v0.3.7.5

lemonrev · Post by **lemonrev** » Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:51 pm

Trent, I think what your doing with the TCP socket is the first time i have heard of any app talking to one another, i think its slandered to pack up files and then convert them using yet another program then, Either using next app to open up object or get app to convert on fly new file that's been downloaded and once converted show up on screen for use.

So you using TCP as a way to communicate between apps is new, as far as two apps communicating with each other. As for games yes its common as ABC's but thats a different type of app :P.

Well ill be watching out for your thread and watching what is going on. So i wish you luck with that Parent sub positions and whatnot that needs to be added.

I know you will get it figured out. Just a matter of time :).

Trent · Post by **Trent** » Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:40 am

lemonrev wrote:i think its slandered to pack up files and then convert them using yet another program then, Either using next app to open up object or get app to convert on fly new file that's been downloaded and once converted show up on screen for use.

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about here :)

So you using TCP as a way to communicate between apps is new, as far as two apps communicating with each other.

No it really isn't a new concept at all. Using sockets to communicate between software has been done for decades:
http://www.it.uom.gr/teaching/distrubutedSite/dsIdaLiu/labs/lab2_1/sockets.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter-process_communication#Approaches
https://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/Dave/C/node28.html

Even most of the info I was reading up about using TCP sockets in Blender was about using them to communicate with other software, such as motion capture software, 3d scanners or other such software. It's an extremely common thing to do.

nicbou0321 · Post by **nicbou0321** » Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:37 pm

It crashes a lot for me, i tried opening the new vehicles and none of them worked. Is there any way to fix that? or are you working on fixing that?

Trent · Post by **Trent** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:11 am

nicbou0321 wrote:It crashes a lot for me, i tried opening the new vehicles and none of them worked. Is there any way to fix that? or are you working on fixing that?

The new vehicles have an updated MDL format, version 6.3, which is very different to the version 6.2 which all our mod tools support. We need to figure out what has changed in the file format and update the loading code accordingly. Until we do, the new cars will crash any of our mod tools.

FatCat · Post by **FatCat** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 4:18 am

Faaaancy, thank you for the dedication in supporting new builds.

Mad Mike · Post by **Mad Mike** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:20 am

The new vehicles have an updated MDL format, version 6.3, which is very different to the version 6.2 which all our mod tools support. We need to figure out what has changed in the file format and update the loading code accordingly. Until we do, the new cars will crash any of our mod tools.

I've had no trouble importing the Blitzkrieger via the Maxscript tools :)

EDIT: Regardless - Big thanks to You and Errol for being on the case.

Trent · Post by **Trent** » Wed Dec 23, 2015 8:55 pm

Hmm, it seems to 6.3 makes use of the previously unused Int32 before the bounding box info. Previously the game just made sure it was set to 1, but my rudimentary look at it seems like 6.3 MDLs allow it to be set to 0 which changes some stuff, such as not having bounding box info among possibly other things. An MDL I tried loading failed because it was missing the bounding box info which the script expected to be there and made it crash, so I assumed all 6.3 MDLs were like that and only checked Blitzkrieger's MDL format to see they were 6.3s. A closer look shows they are 6.3 but have bounding box info, which explains why you can load it with my MaxScript.

Flummery fails to load any 6.3 MDLs because it had a list of allowed versions doesn't try to load if the version doesn't match up.

starbuck · Post by **starbuck** » Wed Jan 13, 2016 4:15 am

FORGET THIS POST . Found solution. I exported the FBX file with Axis Rotation "Zup" in the Max settings. And then imported easily into Flummery and saved it as a CR map with no editing needed.

Errol (or Trent) you can see I made a map.

http://www.carmageddon.com/forum/topic/28873?page=5

Trent may have a bug in his scripts where textures are missing but I dont want to say anything in case the same happens with Flummery. If he gives a solution here to me that would be great. Sample file is the latest one in that thread. Below "Here is the full size map with texture defects."

So I exported to FBX and opened it up in Flummery then saved it. Save As / Carmageddon Reincarnation / Level. That ZAD is included below from Flummery.

And it all worked fine and showed up in game. Dont know if the textures are missing because I am just falling straight thru the map. I also went thru and went to Flip normals on the polys in MAX. Help please.

FBXs and ZAD included. http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=82647594881088652295

Trent · Post by **Trent** » Sun Jan 31, 2016 2:47 pm

Mad Mike wrote:
The new vehicles have an updated MDL format, version 6.3, which is very different to the version 6.2 which all our mod tools support. We need to figure out what has changed in the file format and update the loading code accordingly. Until we do, the new cars will crash any of our mod tools.

I've had no trouble importing the Blitzkrieger via the Maxscript tools :)

EDIT: Regardless - Big thanks to You and Errol for being on the case.

To follow up about the 6.3 MDLs, it turns out there really isn't any difference between 6.3 and 6.2 at all that I can see. The issue I was having was actually something entirely different, the 6.3 was actually just a red herring. I poked around the file in a hex editor and noticed that after the material list there was entirely different data to what I was expecting: it should have been a face count and the PREP face data (32bit Integer for material ID and 3x 32bit Integer for vertex indices per face) but it was actually showing 453 counts of 3 floats followed by a 32bit Integer between 2 and 5. This immediately made me think they were positions and counts, or the unique vertex position data at the start of the USER data and a quick check of the unique vertex count confirmed this. Aha, eureka moment, there's no PREP data at all!

My MaxScript importer code didn't like this as it always expects PREP data to be present and, rather messily, it uses the face count variables defined by the PREP data to read the USER data. A few tweaks later and some further investigating to discover, obviously, the PREP->USER data maps for converting face and vertex indices also aren't present so I have it ignore that too if there's no PREP data. Now it works, hooray!

Mad Mike · Post by **Mad Mike** » Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:38 am

To follow up about the 6.3 MDLs, it turns out there really isn't any difference between 6.3 and 6.2 at all that I can see. The issue I was having was actually something entirely different, the 6.3 was actually just a red herring. I poked around the file in a hex editor and noticed that after the material list there was entirely different data to what I was expecting: it should have been a face count and the PREP face data (32bit Integer for material ID and 3x 32bit Integer for vertex indices per face) but it was actually showing 453 counts of 3 floats followed by a 32bit Integer between 2 and 5. This immediately made me think they were positions and counts, or the unique vertex position data at the start of the USER data and a quick check of the unique vertex count confirmed this. Aha, eureka moment, there's no PREP data at all!

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My MaxScript importer code didn't like this as it always expects PREP data to be present and, rather messily, it uses the face count variables defined by the PREP data to read the USER data. A few tweaks later and some further investigating to discover, obviously, the PREP->USER data maps for converting face and vertex indices also aren't present so I have it ignore that too if there's no PREP data. Now it works, hooray!

This is excellent news Trent :)

FatCat · Post by **FatCat** » Thu Feb 04, 2016 5:48 pm

Hey Errol, do you think you could make a little time in your schedule to give flummery mdl 6.3 support? Pretty please. That would be super nice!

MrDeviance · Post by **MrDeviance** » Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:50 pm

FatCat wrote:Hey Errol, do you think you could make a little time in your schedule to give flummery mdl 6.3 support? Pretty please. That would be super nice!

Actually, I think this would be a better time to ask yourself where is Errol.

Have you noticed his last post dates as far back as october?

I haven't checked to see if he still comes online but he sure as hell stopped posting since 5 months ago.

Trent · Post by **Trent** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:24 am

Errol hasn't gone anywhere, he's still online every day. He just has more important things than modding a game taking up all his time right now, such as renovating his entire house. Once he has some free time to spend on modding he will no doubt get back to it.

FatCat · Post by **FatCat** » Tue Feb 09, 2016 3:28 am

Yeah, i figured that would've been taking up his time at the moment, hasnt he moved just recently too?

Lollybomb · Post by **Lollybomb** » Mon May 30, 2016 1:04 am

I seem to be having two issues with Flummery 3.7.5.

First, it won't load unless I "Run as Administrator." The window will open, but then it just stalls forever. Running as administrator seems to work fine though.

Second, C1 vehicles won't open. It claims to have opened it with "Loaded XYZ.TXT" appearing in the lower left corner, but nothing actually appears. I even tried decrypting them first, but still nothing. C2 and C:R vehicles work fine though.

I'm running Win10 x64.

Also as an aside, why are there no options for opening wheels and rims? They'll open if you rename the files to accessory.cnt and open it as an accessory, but that seems kind of silly.

starbuck · Post by **starbuck** » Mon May 30, 2016 1:49 am

Lollybomb wrote:I seem to be having two issues with Flummery 3.7.5.
First, it won't load unless I "Run as Administrator." The window will open, but then it just stalls forever. Running as administrator seems to work fine though.

Second, C1 vehicles won't open. It claims to have opened it with "Loaded XYZ.TXT" appearing in the lower left corner, but nothing actually appears. I even tried decrypting them first, but still nothing. C2 and C:R vehicles work fine though.

I'm running Win10 x64.

Also as an aside, why are there no options for opening wheels and rims? They'll open if you rename the files to accessory.cnt and open it as an accessory, but that seems kind of silly.

Just guessing here but do not install Flummery in (for example) C:\Program Files. Windows controls directories like that. Install in a directory with no spaces (like C:games\Flummery)

As for importing C1s ACT and DAT files it works perfectly fine here. Try first keeping away from "locked" windows directories.

EDIT I forgot also install as Administrator and see if that solves the problem.

Lollybomb · Post by **Lollybomb** » Mon May 30, 2016 2:12 am

starbuck wrote:Just guessing here but do not install Flummery in (for example) C:\Program Files. Windows controls directories like that. Install in a directory with no spaces (like C:games\Flummery)
As for importing C1s ACT and DAT files it works perfectly fine here. Try first keeping away from "locked" windows directories.

A reasonable suggestion, but they're already in unprotected folders. Flummery in F:\Flummery and C1 in F:\Games\Steam\SteamApps\common\Carmageddon1\CARMA

Question though, where are your files? Given your comment about opening the ACT files instead of TXT files I hunted them down. Found them, but Flummery throws an error detailing null model files. If I copy all the ACT and DAT files into the same folder Flummery will open the model. Texture is missing, but for the moment I'm not concerned about that. Maybe Flummery doesn't like being on the F drive to begin with?

Also, install? The archive I downloaded was just the exe and data folder on their own. And some other misc files. No installer.

starbuck · Post by **starbuck** » Mon May 30, 2016 2:28 am

Lollybomb wrote:
starbuck wrote:Just guessing here but do not install Flummery in (for example) C:\Program Files. Windows controls directories like that. Install in a directory with no spaces (like C:games\Flummery)
As for importing C1s ACT and DAT files it works perfectly fine here. Try first keeping away from "locked" windows directories.

A reasonable suggestion, but they're already in unprotected folders. Flummery in F:\Flummery and C1 in F:\Games\Steam\SteamApps\common\Carmageddon1\CARMA

Question though, where are your files? Given your comment about opening the ACT files instead of TXT files I hunted them down. Found them, but Flummery throws an error detailing null model files. If I copy all the ACT and DAT files into the same folder Flummery will open the model. Texture is missing, but for the moment I'm not concerned about that. Maybe Flummery doesn't like being on the F drive to begin with?

Also, install? The archive I downloaded was just the exe and data folder on their own. And some other misc files. No installer.

Forgot about the lack of installer. I never did anything fancy to get my Flummery to work except for making a shortcut on the windows bar on the bottom. My Steam and Flummery directory are on my C:\games drive . Basically like yours. Try opening the DAT files instead.

As for the files you should open them up in 3DS Max instead and export them using Trents tools. MAX has a totally free student version. You could also download the maps I converted in my "A present for you" thread. I THINK I have the working FBX (DATS etc) files in them. Sorry I cant remember whats in them.

I do have a DVD burned if you want me to post a link to just a certain C! map which may have all the PNG files and TIFFs you need. But check my collection of basic converted maps first.

Getting really tired to reply anymore today. Sorry. Only thing I can think of is do not use the Carmageddon1 directory directly. You need the templates which I said may be in my files or on the RR2000 website.

EDIT somewhere I made a "making my first map" thread too in this portion of the forum. May solve some problems.

http://www.carmageddon.com/forum/topic/28873

Lollybomb · Post by **Lollybomb** » Mon May 30, 2016 2:40 am

starbuck wrote:
Lollybomb wrote:
starbuck wrote:Just guessing here but do not install Flummery in (for example) C:\Program Files. Windows controls directories like that. Install in a directory with no spaces (like C:games\Flummery)
As for importing C1s ACT and DAT files it works perfectly fine here. Try first keeping away from "locked" windows directories.

A reasonable suggestion, but they're already in unprotected folders. Flummery in F:\Flummery and C1 in F:\Games\Steam\SteamApps\common\Carmageddon1\CARMA

Question though, where are your files? Given your comment about opening the ACT files instead of TXT files I hunted them down. Found them, but Flummery throws an error detailing null model files. If I copy all the ACT and DAT files into the same folder Flummery will open the model. Texture is missing, but for the moment I'm not concerned about that. Maybe Flummery doesn't like being on the F drive to begin with?

Also, install? The archive I downloaded was just the exe and data folder on their own. And some other misc files. No installer.

Forgot about the lack of installer. I never did anything fancy to get my Flummery to work except for making a shortcut on the windows bar on the bottom. My Steam and Flummery directory are on my C:\games drive . Basically like yours. Try opening the DAT files instead.

As for the files you should open them up in 3DS Max instead and export them using Trents tools. MAX has a totally free student version. You could also download the maps I converted in my "A present for you" thread. I THINK I have the working FBX (DATS etc) files in them. Sorry I cant remember whats in them.

I do have a DVD burned if you want me to post a link to just a certain C! map which may have all the PNG files and TIFFs you need. But check my collection of basic converted maps first.

Getting really tired to reply anymore today. Sorry. Only thing I can think of is do not use the Carmageddon1 directory directly. You need the templates which I said may be in my files or on the RR2000 website.

EDIT somewhere I made a "making my first map" thread too in this portion of the forum. May solve some problems.

http://www.carmageddon.com/forum/topic/28873

If nothing else, you've pointed me in the right direction to get something working. Thanks a bunch!

starbuck · Post by **starbuck** » Mon May 30, 2016 2:42 am

Just had a thought. Dont know if it matters. but the Carma1 TXT files are actually encoded. They need to be re-encoded to ACTUAL TXT files which are in the track templates.

nicbou0321 · Post by **nicbou0321** » Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:26 pm

Quick question. is this tool going to be updated for max damage?

Errol · Post by **Errol** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:52 pm

Yup! It also has better FBX support (fixed a few annoying bugs too), a proper material editor and a handful of other funky-fresh features.

Hopefully out... soon!

CzechDeath · Post by **CzechDeath** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:03 pm

find the comic easteregg =D

LuckyMike · Post by **LuckyMike** » Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:06 pm

Very interesting. The fresh flummery, this is great!

nicbou0321 · Post by **nicbou0321** » Wed May 31, 2017 11:56 pm

sorry for the bump but. any news on whats going on for max damage?

cant wait to play around with the new stuff.

Errol · Post by **Errol** » Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:04 am

I am a terrible person and have neglected this for far too long.

Things are happening now though, see...

AlexTSK · Post by **AlexTSK** » Fri Feb 02, 2018 10:45 am

All hail the king of modding!

Errol · Post by **Errol** » Wed Feb 07, 2018 10:24 pm

Pfft, if I'm king of anything it is wan.

starbuck · Post by **starbuck** » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:47 am

Errol wrote:Pfft, if I'm king of anything it is wan.

Somehow I knew that was your voice.

Brings back old programming memories. Got a lot of work to do at home but will sit watching the whole video to see which of the butlers was guilty :P

starbuck · Post by **starbuck** » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:57 pm

Here is one thing I noticed while using Flummery that is weird.

When going to File \ Save As \ Carmaggedon \ Level

First the "level" dialog box cannot be changed, and the Level folder in CR gets full of all the created files IN THE LEVEL directory. As well as it seems no ZAD file is created.

So to create each map you have to go back into Windows Explorer and zip the files by hand. Or go to that directory in Minge and load the directory as a Zad name each time.

I hope it makes sense because I went thru trying to remake my plain old C1 maps and got thru processing about 15 of them before I noticed it.

Errol · Post by **Errol** » Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:09 pm

The level dialog box can not be changed? Clicking the button with the three dots doesn't allow you to browse to a different save folder?

Also, what version of Flummery are you running?

starbuck · Post by **starbuck** » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:31 pm

3.7.5

And I am so stupid. I assumed it was doing something else. So wrapped up in getting those rewowrked maps up.

Thanks